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Ep 152: A Puerto Rican Journey To Faith, Family, And Freedom From The Flesh (Part 2)
"Today we continue our Spirit Filled conversation with our dear brother and sister Orlando & Gloria Burgos. Two people who the Lord used to greatly influence us for the Lord and even make Plays on Word Possible!"
A single sentence can rattle a life. When a friend calmly said, “Believe what you want; I’m at peace with Christ,” it set off a time bomb that exposed our compromises, challenged our assumptions, and led to an eight-hour encounter with Scripture that changed everything. We share the journey from trying to cram the Bible into evolution to trusting the God who speaks, designs, and rules with purpose. The conversation is candid, funny in the way only old friends can be, and unflinching about the hard parts: idols, money, fear of people, and the offense of the cross.
You’ll hear how a simple testimony outperformed a thousand arguments, why quiet conviction often does more than debate ever could, and how reading the Bible with an open heart can reorder your loves. We talk about contentment when jobs vanish, stewardship when opportunities appear, and the difference between using money as a tool and letting money use you. Proverbs 3:5–6 becomes a lifeline, reminding us to trust the Lord, refuse self-reliance, and acknowledge Him on every path. We also recover a neglected word—born again—returning to John 3 to explain new birth, daily surrender, and the war between flesh and Spirit that every believer must face.
If you’ve ever tried to make faith “fit” cultural narratives to keep the peace, this story will nudge you toward a better peace—the kind rooted in God’s authority and the reliability of His Word. Come for the laughter, stay for the clarity, and leave with renewed courage to live a consistent witness. Listen now, then share this episode with someone who’s wrestling, and leave a review to help others find the show. Subscribe for more conversations that put Scripture at the center and spark real change.
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SPEAKER_05:You're now listening to play is the best. Listen, and I was just like, wait a minute. And then I was able to find out the actual truth, how ridiculous my position was. Because I was just trying to make Discovery Channel evolution garbage fit. I was trying to make the Bible fit into that so that I felt comfortable and felt at peace. Like, well, God used evolution. That's probably the most ridiculous. Theistic evolution is the most intellectually dishonest evolution.
SPEAKER_03:Today we continue our spirit-filled conversation with our dear brother and sister Orlando and Gloria Burgos, two people who the Lord used to greatly influence us for the Lord and even make Plays on Word possible.
SPEAKER_00:Hello and welcome to Plays on Word Radio, where we discuss, analyze, work, and play on the Word of God. Thank you for joining us on this excursion today. Let's join Pastor Teddy, also known as Fred David Kenny Jr., the founder of Plays on Word Theater, as he does a deep dive into the Word of God.
SPEAKER_02:And Ted will be trying to I was like, Ted will try to explain everything in the in the I'm like, okay, you know what? It's okay. You want to believe that is fine. That's you. I'm not there's no monkeys in my family, okay?
SPEAKER_05:That was a monkeys. That's a pivotal day for me. Yeah. Because I because I was so surprised at his conviction that I was shocked. I was like, well, how can he believe he actually believes what he's saying? Like he really believes it. And that messed with me. I was like, but he's not a dummy. And he doesn't just believe things for the for the sake of just believing them out of nowhere. And it deep down it was messing with me. Like he sent off a time bomb in me. It was like, and the Lord was basically playing the strings of my soul, like, you see, you don't have to be a dummy to believe in me and listen. And I was just like, wait a minute. And then I was able to find out the actual truth, how ridiculous my position was. Because I was just trying to make Discovery Channel evolution garbage fit. I was trying to make the Bible fit into that so that I felt comfortable and felt at peace. Like, well, God used evolution. That's probably the most ridiculous. Looking at it now. Theistic evolution is, first of all, the most intellectually dishonest position. And I would love to, if anybody disagrees with me, reach out to me and we'll discuss it. We don't have time for it on this podcast. But it is a it is basically a dishonest, a theological intellectually dishonest position where you're you're not really um you're not you're not really coming up with any decent answers.
SPEAKER_02:No. It's a cop-out.
SPEAKER_05:Because if you it's a cop-out, if you really start searching, you start to see that, first of all, if God's God, who he says he is, he does not need to use evolution, which is a ridiculous proposition, that God brought about everything through evolution, because the evolutionists can't even make a logical case for their position. Yes. That evolution brought about all the design that we see. And people have used the example of um, you know, just evolution creating the design and the harmony and the way things, the systems, even though the whole creation is broken and tainted, still, there are systems in place that you can identify and say, wow, that has a design to it. There's a specific design to it, which demands a designer. Because things don't design themselves, first of all, and the logic that the evolutionist wants us to believe is like if we took ten Webster's dictionaries in English, strapped ten sticks of dynamite to them, lit them, put them in a room, let it blow up, and expect to have Shakespeare. Expect all the particles to land as Shakespeare and to be able to read it and have it make sense, to show the design of Shakespeare. That's what they're trying to sell people when they sell this evolutionary nonsense. But I see, I wasn't well versed at the time. I did not know. And the cop out was like, well, God uses evolution to bring about his design. That's a bunch of nonsense. The farther you get into it, you're like, wait a second. God doesn't need evolution. God's God's uh He said, Let there be light, and there was light. He built and designed everything. And to use evolution is like to say God's rolling the dice. And that's not what we find in Scripture. The next thing is like, is the Word of God actually the Word of God? If God exists, then has He actually tried to communicate to humanity? And guess what? It turns out He has. And we we can rest assured that the Bible is indeed the Word of this uncaused first cause of everything. Anyway, not to get all crazy, but that's the time. That's the time mom Orlando set off on me when he was like, hey, hey thing, you might have called from a monkey. I didn't call from no monkey.
SPEAKER_03:I was like, what? He does the accent slightly better, but we're pretty good.
SPEAKER_02:Bagdan out. Bagdan, that was my accent. Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:Because that was like wearing a cop and he was drinking out of a cop and he was running from the world.
SPEAKER_02:Oh my goodness, my my they get pulled over by a cop? If there's one thing harder than English, I don't know what it is. Because it's Albanian.
unknown:Albanian.
SPEAKER_02:Albanian is an example. But English is so confusing. English is one of those languages that when you know Spanish and you read everything in with the vowels, A, A, E, O, U, you learn the vowels in Spanish, you know how to read for the most cases. Right. English is like when I was saying something, I was like, where's the I there? There's no I. That's a that's an that's an ah. That's a crazy. You know, it's just crazy.
SPEAKER_05:Cap, so but he gets pulled over by the cops. He drinks, he wears a copy.
SPEAKER_07:He goes to McDonald's.
SPEAKER_05:McDonald's. Let's go to McDonald's.
SPEAKER_02:You know how hard it was for me to say cap?
SPEAKER_05:Yep, cap. Cop. Cop.
SPEAKER_02:Cop. I was like, it's all the same to me. No, you're saying this. I'm not. I'm saying that. You know, that's that's that's cap. That's what I said. No, you say cop. Just forget it. I don't care. You know what? You you you got me.
SPEAKER_05:That's a shame.
SPEAKER_02:But I don't know if you remember that day, I did not argue with you. Right. Because that's the thing we sometimes, Christian, we we get into an argument where you don't have to. Because the truth you don't have to defend. So, hey, you want to believe that? Good. That's you.
SPEAKER_05:That's what really messed with me. I was like, wait. And I wanted to, I wanted to try to debate, and I was like, wait a second, how you go, how about the millions of years and all this stuff? And you're like, psst.
SPEAKER_03:Well, that's that's why our testimonies are so important because no one can mess with your testimony. You were pretty much saying, okay, that might be your reality, but that's not mine. Exactly. And when people speak that clearly, you know, it then that's what attracted him to that that comment. Like, wait a minute, he really believes that. And I know him, he's a smart guy. I need to find out why he really believes that. And that was God pulling, you know. But you're right, that's why we don't have to argue. No, we and and that's the worst we can do.
SPEAKER_05:You have to speak truth. That's bad. If we argue, that can turn people off, you think.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, because it, you know what? There's why do you have did you ever in the scripture you saw Jesus arguing with someone? No, he will explain. Even Peter, I mean Paul, you know, he will try to convince people to believe the truth. But at one point he will be like, okay, you know, I can't convince, only the spirit can convince you, but the truth is already heard. Yeah, that's what happened with Felix, right? And what did Philips say?
SPEAKER_05:In the book of Acts, right?
SPEAKER_02:He said, I almost. You know, casi the convinces. Yeah. You almost, you know, in Spanish would say, almost, you almost convinced me to believe that. And what did Paul uh Paul say?
SPEAKER_05:I wish that everybody would be here for these chains.
SPEAKER_02:You know, but that's the thing. It's we want to win the argument. Right.
SPEAKER_05:And a grip up.
SPEAKER_02:And and we want to win an argument when it's not necessary. Because you're not winning anything. You know what? You want to tell people that you know more than, you know, because I could say, okay, Ted, let me let me tell you about something. You know, uh, for what? You know, you knew at that point that whatever, because the answer I gave you messed you up. Right. And you were not at ease in yourself. I was at peace. I was like, hey, you want to believe that? It's fine. They're fine, it's fine. And I remember I told you to find that, you know, the way we just went.
SPEAKER_05:And the Holy Spirit was was jabbing me with like left hooks, and I had just had no peace. I was like, wait a second, man. What is how can he this is just oh man. And I tried to chalk it up up to ah, Orlando's just crazy. Maybe, but he's not crazy.
SPEAKER_03:Is that when you started diving into the word even more? And that time you talked about having that wrestle with God?
SPEAKER_05:That that was around the same period of time.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, that was yeah.
SPEAKER_05:And um, then Orlando gave showed me something in his Bible, and I started reading the Bible, and I read, I was supposed to be working, but I went into the back of the place and I read for eight hours.
SPEAKER_02:I remember that.
SPEAKER_05:I read the Bible for eight hours, and I was like, I this is whoa.
SPEAKER_02:No, this this is the we we he asked me something. I said, Well, the Bible says this. Yeah, and he's like, if that's in the Bible, I'm gonna walk naked backward all the way on 95 until my house. Yep. And I was like, okay. And he showed me. And I showed him he went crazy. Wow, I couldn't believe it. I said he's like, I said, I couldn't believe it. I was like, it was Jerry Springer stuff. Oh my god, he's like, let me see that. I remember you took the Bible, you went back, and that was it. After that, it was like the Lord grabbed hold of me.
SPEAKER_05:It's that day on. I was he got a hold of me, and I couldn't.
SPEAKER_02:It was crazy, and I saw him like changing the way he will talk, the way he will act, the way he will do things. It's amazing how you know, and we became very good friends. Very, you know, we I mean, we spent so much time together that it was like every time we had Lou going crazy.
SPEAKER_05:Poor Lou. Poor Lou. He was outnumbered now. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, we Because it was that guy Orlando, he's everything's about the Bible with him. It's his he's always reading, he's always he always goes to his Bible, or that guy Orlando, Lou would say that, and and Lou, if you're listening, we still love you. But um, yeah, Lou, he it'd be Lou or anybody in Jackson was like, that guy Orlando, he's always got his Bible out. And I was like, Well, it doesn't matter, you know, whatever. I I was open to it. I mean, I as a young kid I believed in Jesus, and I didn't not believe in Jesus. I just was compromised, bad, by the world, and I had no answer. I was shallow. I was a shallow believer that had no power in my walk as far. I mean, I believe if you ask me, I believe in Jesus, yeah, I believe in Jesus. But I didn't know the word. Like I couldn't, I couldn't go deep in the word, I had no power, nothing. In fact, the world had more power over me than Jesus did.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, and I think that was all of us because it's the same thing with the religious, you know, we you have this knowledge of God.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Okay, but you don't know God. And that's what we that's what I had. I had that that knowledge of Christ, you know, Mary, you know, I knew who to believe. I I I will recite the uh the creed of the uh uh apostles that they're so close, you know, the Catholic people they recitate this all the time, and if you listen to it, it's exactly what the Bible says.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:But growing up, I will say, like, you know, you memorize it, and it's part of you doing the first communion, doing, you know, doing all these things, which is great. You know, I I have a lot of people that I know from the from the Catholic Church that are more believers than believers that I know. So I'm not saying that they're not saved, but you have when you take them out of, you know, I I um I knew this this lady, um I she was Catholic, and I I could talk with that lady for hours about Christ, and nobody will get upset.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_02:And she will know, you know, and I will say, you know, the Bible says this, yeah, it's true. Whatever, you know, the Bible is true. So when you know the same God, yeah, you know, we might have differences in in some things, right? Right. But when you have come to the knowledge of Christ through the spirit, there's something that you can relate.
SPEAKER_05:And and fellowship in the spirit.
SPEAKER_02:You know that condonia is in Spanish too.
SPEAKER_05:But um Yeah, fellowship in the spirit, man.
SPEAKER_02:Other questions?
SPEAKER_05:No, I I hey I just I I just wanted to thank you guys for being supporters of plays on word and and being dear friends of me and Katie since we got married, since day one, you were at our wedding. You were my best guy. And uh, do you have something?
SPEAKER_03:No, I was just gonna say, when you were talking earlier, Orlando, about how um you guys are are pretty much brothers and you cannot talk for how long, and you pick it right back up. And that's how we feel about you as a couple, both of you and Gloria. Like, I I get so like we were the past two days we were performing, and and it was such a yeah, it was a grueling um experience getting up here and stuff like that, but the performances were so great. Today I was watching my husband perform, and I got teary-eyed, and I said, Thank you, Lord, it's been a good life. You know, there's been ups and downs, like you said, it's not perfect, and God didn't say it was perfect. He said in Proverbs, you find a wife that's good, it is a good thing, and I just was so blessed. And then when we were driving, we're gonna just grab something to eat because he was hungry, and he's like, Oh, yeah, you know, I said we gotta reach out to them, and he's like, Oh, they're close. I'm like, I got so excited when we were gonna come over to see you because even we're always even when we're together, we're just we're doing this, we end up talking about the Lord. Yes, and I always feel so good.
SPEAKER_02:Yes, I'm around you too. And you know that we feel the same way.
SPEAKER_05:I walk around the house in North Carolina and say, Indilando Borgos, Orlando is the king.
SPEAKER_02:We have we have T says a lot of things that that I used to say, and I think he loved the accent so much that he he just wanted to say it. But I you know, my wife and I, we always wanted for them to go to Puerto Rico. Oh my god. If there's something that I really appreciate, is that you got to meet your parents, yes, you know, my mom, and and they loved you guys in a way that you know, even with the with the language barrier, right? They loved you guys. Yes, you know, my mom is like, I mean, they treated you guys, you know how it was, you know, there's you feel the barrier.
SPEAKER_03:And we were definitely able to communicate, but not just communicate. It's just yeah, your mom was a beautiful lady, and I love her.
SPEAKER_02:You know, and and and that's and that's something that I always wanted. Yeah. For you, yeah, you know, to go to Puerto Rico. I've been inviting you. I've been inviting you to you know what? For those who do not know who I am, I look more Ted looks more Puerto Rican than I do. So everybody thinks that I'm I'm from here, from the States, and and and Ted is from Puerto Rico. Colorado. It's like who's Ted Kenny? You? No, I'm Orlando. No, he's Orlando, no. Yeah, that's great. But it's it's just you know, your life has been a blessing to us, you know, and and seeing you growing in the Lord and what you do, and something that you do, Katie, that I because I I I go to the place and I I observe, and I see Katie that has seen all this place for a thousand times, you know, all together. You get into it with him. It's like you're you are the force behind him, even though I know it's Christ.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_02:But you have that communion because I see you and you're laughing when everybody's laughing, and you cry when everybody's crying. It's like you are connected with him at the same time. It's not like you're doing something else, and and okay, when you're finished, you go back, you know, it's it's it's not it's not that it and that's beautiful to see it because I I knew that Ted was gonna do something in the in the arts because he's he's a great musician. He's I mean, this guy is is he's a genius, he doesn't realize it, but he's a genius. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_05:Listen to this guy.
SPEAKER_02:He's very smart. You can talk to Ted about anything, all right? Even in Spanish, and he will answer it to you in Spanish.
SPEAKER_05:One time I actually fooled Orlando. I was speaking in Spanish when he came up, and then like a minute and a half, maybe two minutes into the conversation, he was like, Wait, what did you Ted? You're speaking Spanish.
SPEAKER_02:The soap opera is what it is. It was novelas, like novelas, oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_03:Oh my god, yeah, I remember in Chicago. Oh man. I think that's why I got a little choked up today because I was watching him do what he was doing. I was thanking the Lord that he's up there doing what he so clearly was ordained to do. And you know, and we can we can get down about stuff when things don't work out on paper all the time, and there's you're worrying about this stuff, and I'm like, wow, you know, we get to do this, and I think, and and I thank you for saying that because I do sometimes I get so caught up in it, I forget to take pictures, and I know it's coming, but that's because the Holy Spirit is there, so you don't you don't hear a worship song once and then the next time you don't react to it, you know? It's and I feel very much a part of it and up there with him. You know, and if something happens and like no one else will pick up on it, but I know if his mind someplace and he's and I'm like, Lord, just help him, he'll get you know what I mean. No, it's he's so good that no one else will see that maybe he stopped on something, or you know, um how many times you've told me that you you have conversations with the Lord sometimes. Yeah, yeah. Like when we were in or when we were in Ocean Grove and the wind was so bad, and you were wondering, oh. Okay, what am I gonna do if this boat flies away with the wind? And he's still speaking his, you know, his line.
SPEAKER_02:So Yeah, he's his. And that's and that's what I'm saying, that communion that you have in the spirit.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Because you're not talking to him through a you know uh earphone or something like that. It's it's the spirit.
unknown:Right.
SPEAKER_02:And and um seeing Which is accessible to all believers. Exactly. All of us. That's that's the gift.
SPEAKER_05:Amen.
SPEAKER_02:That's the gift of God to us, you know.
SPEAKER_05:Speaking of Christmas time, the gift of God being the the the baby uh I want Gloria to say a few things.
SPEAKER_02:Go ahead.
SPEAKER_05:The baby Jesus and the you know, he gave the ultimate gift. Just every time we give a gift or receive a gift, this Christmas, please remember that God is the ultimate gift giver. You know.
SPEAKER_02:And I would like to say something that sometimes asks, uh, well, we live in this earth and we, you know, for the most part, we owe work and and try to do better for for our families, for, you know, for our lives. And and sometimes we get caught up in the world. We're not of the world, but we get caught up with the world, you know, with the things of the world, you know, the cares of the of the world, you know, we want a better job so we can make more money, so we can have more things, and and which is not bad. But there are times when those things they start taking a hold of us. And if someone is listening, you know, and is going through that, life is more than all the money you can make and everything else. It's good to have things, you know. Like I tell people, listen, if I can make a million dollars, hey, I'll make it. But I'm not gonna go after it.
SPEAKER_05:Right.
SPEAKER_02:It has to come after me, it has to follow me.
SPEAKER_05:You want to have a million dollars, you don't want the million dollars to have you.
SPEAKER_02:To have me, correct. And that's and that's what we make the mistake in life. You know, we we hear this prosperity gospel sometimes that we have to have that because we are we are we belong to to a king, but our crown is not of this earth. No, so we're not gonna act like the kings of this world because then we'll be acting wrong. We are princes of a different um place. And glad and God will bless people because that's the way God blesses ministries through people that have, you know, God have blessed, you know, financially and things like that, which is great. But when we go after that, you know, I'm saying that because I've I've I've I had this issue for for a little bit, you know, things were going good, and and you have a good job, you have businesses, you have things that and and and you start thinking that that's wow, this is you know, now I gotta do a different business because we can make more money over there, now we're gonna do this. And then you start following that, and and and you hear something of it, and now you want to jump on that, and all of a sudden it's it takes the life of God from you.
SPEAKER_05:And would you say that becomes like an idol almost? Like it, yes. You almost it's like it takes a priority instead of God having a priority, whatever it might be, is is more of a priority.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, it's it's it's almost like you're you're going to the gym, and going to the gym is great for your health. You know, you have to take care of your body, but all of a sudden you start looking good, and now it's more important for you to look good than to exercise. You know, now it's not so much about health, it's about how I look. And now I'm gonna, you know, now there's is is this very finite line where you walk, and it's like, uh, yeah, you know, you have to be careful, and then money does that. And remember, money becomes a God because Jesus said you cannot serve God and what? Yeah, right. Mammon and money, Mammon, which is a God, and he called money a God. Right, so you either serve God or you serve money. Yeah, and the thing is when you start doing things for money, now you're going after money. And then if you follow some something, you become a slave to whatever you follow.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_02:So, and that's something that I was walking. You know, now that I left God, is is the blessings of God, I was paying more attention to the blessings of God than I was paying to the God of the blessings. So, and that's something that makes you realize, you know, and then God allowed things in your life to wake you up.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:You know, a lot of things, you know, I lost my job in 2018, you know, and uh um and then I started doing all the things, and but God was like, hey, this is it's not that I want to bless you, I want to bless you, but I don't want the blessing to become an obstacle in your life.
SPEAKER_05:You think some people can't he hold back blessings from people because they are not capable of handling the blessing that he would, you know, if he blessed somebody with a million dollars, that could ruin their life. You look at all the people that hit the lottery and then they're they they end up committing suicide, good grief. Yeah, you know, because they can't.
SPEAKER_02:You see, money, money, like I always told you, it's a tool. Yeah, it's like, you know, you you see a carpenter that know how to use their tools, uh a mechanic. When they know how to use the tools, they can do great things with those tools. If I'm using a tool that I don't know about it, I I might cut my arm. Yeah, and it's the same thing with money. Money is a tool that God uses for us to bless others. But when that blessing takes over, and now the only thing you think about is like, okay, money, how I'll make money, how I do this. It's it's not good. It's it's like we have to go back to Paul, we have to learn what it is.
SPEAKER_06:Right.
SPEAKER_02:You know, like some people say, you know, God, I know what it is to be in one. Teach me how to live in in the um in much.
SPEAKER_05:That's the proverb say that don't don't don't don't give me too too much, or Lord, I might forget about you. Yes, you know, yes, and and but little that I might steal, I don't want to steal, and also don't give me don't give me too much, or I might say who's God, I might forget all about it.
SPEAKER_02:But God, God will be with you in, you know, because finance fine finances is one one of those themes that we talk about, but we don't talk about taboo. Yeah, yeah, because it's it's like we might talk about everything else, yeah, you know, but finances he has this uh thing, but I think God allows us to go through things in life to realize that he's still God, that he's God.
SPEAKER_01:Amen.
SPEAKER_02:And if you're struggling now financially, you know, just allow God to talk to you and let him tell you what's next. You know, he's gonna guide you, you know. Proverbs 3, 5, and 6 for us is a because it was a point in our life when we needed it. It was a it was it was a time when we struggled, you know. I it was it was a very hard time. And I read Proverbs 3, 5, and 6, and it became so real to me that I was like, oh my god, I have the answer here. You know, everything that I'm looking for is right here. And it's like trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding. In all your ways, acknowledge him, and he will make your path straight. And I was like, wow, it was here all the time, and I didn't see it. You know, I was nothing got fixed.
SPEAKER_05:Nothing changed.
SPEAKER_02:But I believed God at that moment that God was talking to us in our situation, yeah, and it became our proverbs, you know, for our life, for our family. Uh, even my daughters, they uh they when they hear that, it says, Oh dad, look, listen.
SPEAKER_05:I didn't think of that. Well, every time I see that passage, I'm like, that's that's on Lando Burgos' passage.
SPEAKER_03:No, I was just gonna say also, too, like, I feel like a lot of people, especially that are not well versed in the Bible, they get this wrong because they say money is the root of all evil. It's not money, it is the love of money.
SPEAKER_02:Yes.
SPEAKER_03:And that's where it's so important that God had that in the Bible, has that in the Bible, that we have to be careful about greed and wanting that, you know, selfishly warning that. But you know, I have to say, like, even like when you say about observing things, one thing that I've seen with you, the fact that you don't chase that, that God has blessed you with many, you know, different opportunities, and maybe they're not perfect at first, but we always look at you like an like you're an entrepreneur.
SPEAKER_05:Orlando Burgers, OBB, Orlando Burger's BB.
SPEAKER_03:Sometimes Teddy will say, Oh, Orlando, I'm like, oh, what did Orlando find now? Because he just finds, because God brings that to you because you're not chasing it. And again, maybe it's not perfect, but he has definitely blessed you.
SPEAKER_05:I passed the traffic supply on the way up here and I went on.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Yeah, we we we have we have we have uh uh but this is another anecdote that I'm gonna say. Okay. When I lost my job, the first person I told was my wife. I called her. You know, I was there for close to 24 years, and and to have someone come and say, You gotta go. You gotta go. You have two hours to get everything you have, it's like, what? What did I do? Yeah, you know, it's nothing that you did, it's just they're you know, they sold the company, and I remember calling you. And I said, Ted, uh, I just lost my job. And I remember you telling me this. He's like, Oh, Orlando, I'm so I'm sorry to say this, but I'm so happy because I can't wait to see what God is gonna do with you. Not exactly what you were feeling at the time. No, but but that's that's what you needed. Yeah, you know, because he's God's not surprised. If you're surprised, correct. And that's the thing. Sometimes we want someone to say, oh, you know, to feel sorry for us. And God does not feel sorry for us. You know, we don't like that, but we think, you know, if God allows something in your life, look at look at Job. Yeah, then God said, I'm I'm so sorry. Um Job, I'm so sorry that I that that that you went through all this, but but let me let me let me let me let me explain to you why I did it. No.
SPEAKER_05:God never explains why.
SPEAKER_02:No, and that's what I'm trying to say. Sometimes we go through things and we think that God owes us an explanation.
SPEAKER_05:Nothing. And we He did everything possible for us to know Him. The cross is Him feeling sorry for us, the cross is him stepping in and doing something.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, exactly. This is what I'm gonna do for you. Yeah, and and and but you know, that's how much I think of Ted. You know, that the second person that I call was him. And those words, like you said, Katie, was not what I was expecting. I thought he was gonna say, you know, he's a pastor, oh, okay, let's let's let's stop everything we're doing, let's uh hold hands and let's pray. You know, make it so spiritual. No, he just said, you know what, I can't wait to see what God is gonna do with you. Yeah, man. And God has done great things, yes, in different ways. It's not about money. Money is is second there. But seeing you, you know, whatever we can do to help you guys, we always try. You know, we do, you know, it's always we believe in your in what you're doing because you are for real. You know, and those who do not know Ted and Katie, they're real people. I mean, they're down to earth, they they they're not holier than down. Exactly. And that's the beauty of it, because sometimes we that's why when I look at Ted, I see Ted. I don't care what the titles he has, I don't I don't because he's my friend. He's Ted. He's the one that I can mess with him, and he's the one that I can because not he has not changed. He's the same person that I that I met.
SPEAKER_05:Just filled with the spirit now.
SPEAKER_02:Exactly.
SPEAKER_03:Wasn't it Orlando that said, you keep it real, God?
SPEAKER_05:No, that was Julian. Okay, my man Julian. But uh it was around the same time that Orlando was said, hey, you might have come from a monkey. I didn't come from the monkey.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:I remember getting a call from your mom. I started to say, and I was like, hello? I said, yeah, um, how you Orlando? I was like, Yeah, this is this is Norma Kenny. Ted's mom. And I was like, Yeah, and how can I help you? Is everything okay? He said, Yes. I just want to say thank you for talking to Ted about God. Amen. And I was like, I was like, I I mean I because you don't think you're doing it, it's just I was living my life as a Christian man at my job. I wasn't telling people, oh, you gotta do this, you gotta do that. Yeah, you want to do whatever you want? That's that's you. I'm not doing it.
SPEAKER_06:Right.
SPEAKER_02:You know, this is what I believe, this is what the Bible says. You have a you have a question, I can answer it. I'm not gonna argue. I mean, we can argue, we argue about politics, we argue about everything.
SPEAKER_06:Right, right.
SPEAKER_02:But when it comes to the word of God, you just say the word of God and that's it. You know what? There's gonna come a time when the person is gonna come back to you and they're gonna ask you in a different setting. Because sometimes people react because there's more people and they act, you know. But then when everybody's gone and it's only you and him, you and that person, that's when that person says, Whoa. Yeah, could we talk about this?
SPEAKER_05:Tell me more about it.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, let's let's and that's what happened to us. You know, we we became so acquainted with the word of God, which it was a blessing for me because I was having Bible study every day.
SPEAKER_05:You know, we Yeah, we were in it every day.
SPEAKER_02:I'm sorry, uh cable vision. You know, we we we we took some hours.
SPEAKER_05:We got paid to redirect.
SPEAKER_02:But we fixed all the all the problems. We fixed, you know, we did all the projects.
SPEAKER_05:The whole month we got done early.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, we wanted to finish everything so we could start talking about God, you know. But it's uh it's it's great. And I I believe that God has many things for you for for us. I believe in my heart that our time in this earth is shorter than ever. Yeah you know, I believe that uh I don't know how long, but you know, I'm not sure.
SPEAKER_05:It's shorter than it was when we first started.
SPEAKER_02:But thanks, if you look at the world and you try to, you know, look at the at the world biblically, you know that there's something going on, you know, more than we can think of. And uh, and we just we just gotta be real with God, you know. It's not about showing who you are to people, it's telling God, you know, God knows who you are. And that doesn't change, you know. What God thinks of me is more important than what than what Ted thinks of me.
SPEAKER_01:Right, right.
SPEAKER_02:And um, and even though I appreciate his thinking, but at the same time, you know what, when when if God looks at me and they say, hey Orlando, you're you're messing up, um I gotta say, okay, you you're right. You know. But you know, it's it's it's been great.
SPEAKER_05:Um about glory. As far as glory, Gloria, what what has the good Lord been showing you? Has he been showing you anything lately in the scripture or what anything?
SPEAKER_07:Well, just I would say about a day ago, just the word born again, and and how that word is not even heard lately. Yeah, and you um and Katie came to um interviewing and basically it's refreshing you know what I was thinking about. And you asked, when did I come to the Lord? When was I born again? Yes, yes, and um I think God well the Holy Spirit brought that to my um my memory, like born again, we we need to be born again. God, I was born again, and um and Orlando said something about the flesh. I think that so I we always understand, you know, you're born again, you come to Christ. Right. But as he was talking about the flesh, and I'm here listening and meditating, and he Holy Spirit saying, the born again, our flesh. We have to be born again every day, like with that flesh. Let it die and be born again. Born again every day. Galatians 2.20.
SPEAKER_05:I am crucified with Christ. It's not not I'm not I don't live any longer. It's and the now the life that I live, I live by faith in the Son of God who loved me and gave himself for me. That's Galatians 2.20. Daily we have to crucify the flesh. Amen. Because the flesh, we reckon it is dead, but given an opportunity, it will come back and bite you. Just like a rattlesnake. If if you cut the head of a rattlesnake off and you put your hand or put your arm near it, it the head will bite, still bite. Even though you cut the head off the body, that thing is dead for I don't know how long. I think it's like two minutes. It still has enough nerve firing power to go to bite you. And the flesh is very much like that. We reckon it's dead, but it's it only takes a little. All it takes is for you to get a little hungry, angry, lonely, or tired. Any one of those things, and the flesh is just ready to take over and be like, I'm back on the throne, I'm in charge here. And the flesh hates the spirit of God. I didn't need to control Gloria, but then being born again now, you're born from above. Your spirit is he's breathed life back into your dead spirit, and your spirit's alive now, and at least now the spirit has the opportunity to battle against the desires of the flesh, which is what Paul talks about. And so being born again, and those people that just know about God that have not been born from above, yeah, they're missing out on everything.
SPEAKER_07:And scripture in the Bible that talks about born again in the New Testament?
SPEAKER_05:John, John chapter 3. John. John chapter 3, when Jesus is talking to Nicodemus. That's the key.
SPEAKER_02:Nicodemus is.
SPEAKER_05:Am I supposed to go back into my the womb?
SPEAKER_02:Jesus said.
SPEAKER_05:And Jesus is like, dude, you're a teacher of Israel and you don't know this unless you're born from above, you know, yeah. Yeah. You have to be born from above.
SPEAKER_07:Jesus says you have to be born from above.
SPEAKER_05:You're born from above, right?
SPEAKER_07:You must be born again.
SPEAKER_06:Yes.
SPEAKER_07:And I think it's so important, and I know it's the Holy Spirit um bringing that into my um memory because we need to be born again. We need people need to hear that. I mean, when I first became a believer, we used to hear that a lot. Yeah. You must be born again, you must be born again. And lately, I haven't been hearing it. Um, so maybe if I don't hear it, that means I have to tell it to other people.
SPEAKER_05:Maybe. It was used as a it was kind of used as a put down for a lot of evangelicals. The evangelical, oh, you born agains.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_05:Um it became uh like a uh mocking.
SPEAKER_07:Now it's a mocking way to be the world mocking.
SPEAKER_02:It's just that you know we we can become we can become bad advertisement for Christ.
SPEAKER_05:Yes. You're right. A bad advertisement, we can become bad advertisements. Like, I don't want anything to do with that.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, because we the way we act. Again, we we when you When you realize, okay, this is this was my life, okay? That doesn't mean that I'm perfect. That doesn't mean that I'm not gonna struggle. That doesn't mean that I'm gonna be always happy. But it means that there's a consistency, there's something. There's okay, you know what? God is God when I'm up, God is God when I'm down. God will not change. And sometimes we are easy to pull the trigger to someone when they're doing something.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:But when we are in a similar situation, we don't want no one to shoot at us. And we gotta be careful.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Because we cannot judge. Judge and you will not be judged. You know, people say, oh, you can judge. No, no, you may judge the actions, but you have to be careful. You know, if you have the chance or an opportunity to talk to that person, go you know alone and try to talk to them. And sometimes we don't do it because we're afraid and we don't know what to say. And sometimes you don't have to say anything, just pray. So when we have become a religious group, not in fact, just another religious group, that's why it's so dangerous. We instead of being born again, people look at us as another religious group. And we gotta be careful because at the time of Jesus, Jesus was more, he was stronger with the religious people than all the sinners. Because they knew the truth and they acted in a way it was um hypocritical. They were hypocrites. Right, they're hypocrites.
SPEAKER_05:He called them that all the time.
SPEAKER_02:So and that's and that's where we have to be careful because when someone knows you for someone that does not know you and gets to know you, and at one point you tell them, listen, I'm I'm I'm a born-again Christian, but they have seen the consistency in your life, they're gonna respect that.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Okay? They're gonna be like, okay, you know what? There's something different about this person. Right. But if you're acting just like them, what's what's the difference? You're being a mirror. Yeah, exactly. You know what? You're not doing anything. So, yeah, and and and that person is gonna say, why do I want what he has if it's the same thing that I have?
SPEAKER_05:That's a lot in the church today. And that's looking just like the world.
SPEAKER_02:Exactly. And that's and that's the problem. The problem is that we want to assimilate so much because we don't want to offend anybody. But even the gospel. The gospel is offensive, man. The gospel is offensive.
SPEAKER_05:The cross is offensive, it's offensive, and it's gonna offend.
SPEAKER_02:If God does not offend me when I sin, then he's saying, Okay, you're you're you're you're doing good.
SPEAKER_05:Right.
SPEAKER_02:As soon as I sin against God, God offends me and said, Into my spirit, what are you doing? What?
SPEAKER_05:We're so worried about offending other people, but we're not worried about offending God.
SPEAKER_02:Yes.
SPEAKER_05:And the offense against a holy, righteous God. It's like, Christians, come on now. You're more worried about offending your neighbor if you mention Jesus or anything like that. But how many times have we offended God? But we don't even consider or care about that. I'm more worried about my neighbor, what my neighbor thinks of me than what God thinks. And I remember getting to the point I was like, well, wait a second, no, man. I can't be worried about what my family members think of me. I have family members that I was like, oh boy, they they're gonna think some kind of way about me. And I'm like, no, what's more important? What God thinks of me or what my family members? And I was like, you know what? When you really get down to it, the only thing that counts is what God thinks of me. I need that needs to be right.
SPEAKER_02:Yep, and that's and that's you know what you were saying about they don't mention so much about being born again because maybe it has a bad connotation for some people. You know, don't say that because it's it's you know, like I always tell people you have to have a relationship with Christ. How do you get a relationship with Christ? We can talk about it. You know, but it comes back to realizing that we are a sinner. And, you know, we were messing around that, you know, we don't want to mention hell. Hell is it's it's unless it's in a in a curse word or something like that. We don't want to mention hell. We don't want anyone, I don't want anybody to go to hell. God does not want anyone to perish, but everyone to have everlasting life through his son Jesus Christ. And and sometimes we we don't want to mention hell because we don't even believe in hell.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Many of us. You know, and we say God is so good, God is not gonna send anyone to hell.
SPEAKER_05:You know, we have become so they say that they the people that say that don't understand how holy and righteous God is.
SPEAKER_02:Correct.
SPEAKER_05:And they don't understand the scripture. All you have to do is read what Jesus said. He talked more about hell than he did heaven.
SPEAKER_02:Exactly.
SPEAKER_05:And he basically warned against hell, and he's talked about it as a real place, a legitimate place that nobody wants to go, that that nobody's gonna be happy. Nobody's gonna be happy that it goes there. And God doesn't send anybody to hell, people send themselves there.
SPEAKER_02:Correct.
SPEAKER_05:In spite of him trying to keep them out of it.
SPEAKER_02:Yes.
SPEAKER_05:That's the amazing thing. It's like it's a choice. It's absolutely a choice, and so anyone that's going to hell, even the people that are gonna be in hell, which is terrible, but the people that are gonna be in hell, even they're gonna say, Wow, that was a righteous decision. Bravo to I wow, I can't argue anything against, I can't argue any case against that lawyer, uh, that judge. Wow, that judge made a right decision.
SPEAKER_02:And the thing is that we cannot come to God with any defense against our sin. There's no I mean we're guilty. We you know, and and and that's the thing. That's that's the that's the beauty of salvation, because I was sentenced to hell. You know, as soon as I was born and then started sinning against God at whatever age he was, it doesn't really matter, you know, because I'm not gonna get into that when you know, whatever. Whatever age he was, right? I was sentenced to hell. Because the wages of sin is death.
SPEAKER_05:It's death, right?
SPEAKER_02:And death is that separation. The death that he's talking about is the separation from God, not the death of dying, right, right, which is also part of it, but it's more of the of the spiritual death. And that's when you come to God at that point and you say, God, you're you're saying that I'm I know for a fact that I'm a sinner. There's no question, but that you're willing to forgive me. Are you saying that if I accept the sacrifice of your son Jesus Christ into my life, you're gonna accept accept me as your son? And he says, Yes.
SPEAKER_05:That's amazing.
SPEAKER_02:That's amazing. You know, and that's the that's why we don't we we don't we think that we are accepting a religion, many people nowadays, you know. But when you're confronting with your sin, not people confronting you with your sin, God confronting you with your sin. Because it's a big difference, you know. Anyone confront me with my sin, I might get upset. But when God Himself comes and confronts me with my sin, and he said, Look at the filthiness of this sin, and this is where he's gonna take you. And but I can forgive you.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah. That's conviction that leads to repentance.
SPEAKER_02:Exactly. Right. So, and that's when when you do that, what happens to you? Why do you feel so good, so happy? What changed? Nothing.
SPEAKER_05:Like the guy that came that came when you were in Puerto Rico, uh, not in Puerto Rico, but that guy who said, uh, I'm born again, I'm born again.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, exactly. And that's and that's what happened to that person. That person, God used him to make me realize what is to be born again. Yeah, but I didn't want anything to do with him. I mean, he was a nice guy. I was, you know, I will take him anywhere. He was a nice guy, yeah, you know, but I God used him for him to be at the right place. Yeah, you know, I'm I'm going through all this struggle as because my sin was taking me through this struggle. It wasn't anything, it wasn't glory, it was my sin taking me through the struggle, even though I was young. I realized, okay, I'm at this point in my life where this guy comes and says, Um, you have to be born again. What we were talking about. You know, he's like, and I'm like, this guy's crazy, you know, he got this guy, but why did I ask this particular guy to let me go into his house? And then these guys there that I knew for a fact he was he was no good, and then comes back one day, changed completely, and then that's the person God uses, which the guy that I that I met there. Amazing. So, and then he came, took me to church, then he went to another church, and after that I didn't see him again. You never saw him again? No, I haven't seen him again. Really? I haven't seen him in 30 years.
SPEAKER_05:Divine appointments? So maybe he was an angel.
SPEAKER_02:But that's no, he was he was no angel.
SPEAKER_05:I saw him after Angelo.
SPEAKER_02:He was he was he was a a guy, his name was Manuel.
SPEAKER_05:Manuel?
SPEAKER_02:It was Emmanuel. Yeah, Manuel.
SPEAKER_05:Can you make this up?
SPEAKER_02:So, but that's the beauty of God. God will use any circumstance and situation to make himself real to you. And when you're out of this noise, you know, because that's what happened. I was, I, you know, I was with Gloria, I was good, I was, but then a lot of things started to ruin in my life, things that I, you know, I became jealous, I became evil. Even I didn't become evil, I was evil, you know. So you start thinking, you know, this is the end of it. That's it. You know, your mind goes crazy, but God at a specific time, it's like it's perfect timing. It's like I could not, I did not, I didn't want to go to church, but God was already dealing with me. You know, I I pray to God in a way that it was beneficial to me, you know, like we for the most part do. You know, we pray to God that things will get better, you know, you know, take away my pain, take away my this, take away, you know. But we don't pray, God, I want I want you to be real to me and I want to know you. Even if I'm in pain, even if I'm struggling, even if I'm, you know, I just want to, I I want you in my life. And when that happens, it changes the reality. And then you read the word of God, and and it's good to read books. You know, I don't read many books, I used to, but you know, you know, the I'm not gonna offend anybody. But I think when you get into the word of God, just you and God, the word of God will never, it's a it's a fountain that will never dry up. You know, and you know this is true. You read it, and you might read, you might, you might have read that a thousand times, and all of a sudden it's like, was that here all the time?
SPEAKER_05:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:It's like, you know, and that's the beauty of the word of God, you know, that we can read it and um and then study it and best of all apply it. Because that's the that's the main thing in in life.
SPEAKER_05:Okay, well, thank you, Orlando and Gloria Burgos.
SPEAKER_03:We're always refreshed, that's why we need fellowship. Give a shout out to Christina.
SPEAKER_05:Hey, hey Super Chef over there. Um, yeah, so thank you for being on the program, and we'll we'll hopefully, God willing, we'll have you back on the program at some point. Maybe we'll do an episode from PR.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. LB.
SPEAKER_05:From Ciales, Puerto Rico, my hometown.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:All right. Go to go to TensorFlow Frito. Uh yeah, my phone will one of them. So I'm gonna have something. Uh make some flow. Anyway. Hallelujah.
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